[K4RY] Rules question

Fri Oct 3 20:29:01 CDT 2008

Absolutely not, Carey;

>From the FCC part 97's point of view, you would be communicating with
someone on another service, which is only allowed in emergencies and
specially authorized tests, such as the annual MARS cross band (actually
cross-service) test.

Two options are:  1)  have him get an amateur radio license (not hard
anymore since there is no code test) or 2) use FRS.  If you are close enough
to use the low power setting on your HT, then FRS's half-watt power should
be ok.  I was a bit concerned by aeronautical mobile operation of FRS at
first, but it is specifically approved by 47CFR95.  See paragraph a4 below.

The FRS radios have a great range of prices.  Get one of the better ones
>$60 for better performance.  The $20 units are pretty lousy.   

Don't endanger your ham license by trying the one way thing.   It's clearly
illegal.  

Regs follow.  73   John.   WB4LNM

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 47, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2007]
>From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 47CFR95.192]

[Page 534-535]

                       TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION

        CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)

PART 95_PERSONAL RADIO SERVICES--Table of Contents

                  Subpart B_Family Radio Service (FRS)

Sec. 95.192  (FRS Rule 2) Authorized locations.

    (a) Provided that you comply with these rules, you are authorized to 
operate an FRS unit:
    (1) Within or over any area of the world where radio services are 
regulated by the FCC (this area includes the fifty United States and the 
District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States 
Virgin Islands (50 islets and cays), American Samoa (seven islands), the 
Commonwealth of Northern Marianna Islands, and Guam Island);
    (2) Within or over any other area of the world, except within or 
over the territorial limits of areas where radio services are regulated 
by an agency of the United States other than the FCC or any foreign 
government (you are subject to its rules);
    (3) Aboard any vessel or aircraft registered in the United States, 
with the permission of the captain, that is within or over any area of 
the world where radio services are regulated by the FCC or upon or over 
international waters;
    (4) or; Aboard any unregistered vessel or aircraft owned or operated 
by a United States citizen or company that is within or over any area of 
the world where radio services are regulated by the FCC or upon or over 
international waters.
    (5) You must operate the FRS unit only according to any applicable 
treaty to which the United States is a party. The FCC will make public 
notice of any such conditions.
    (b)-(c) [Reserved]
    (d) Anyone intending to operate an FRS unit on the islands of Puerto 
Rico, Desecheo, Mona, Vieques, and Culebra in a manner that could pose 
an interference threat to the Arecibo Observatory, shall notify the 
Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory, HC3 Box 53995, Arecibo, Puerto 
Rico 00612, in
writing or electronically, of the location of the unit. Operators may 
wish to consult interference guidelines, which will be provided by 
Cornell University. Operators who choose to transmit information 
electronically should e-mail to: prcz at naic.edu.
    (1) The notification to the Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory 
shall be made 45 days prior to commencing operation of the unit. The 
notification shall state the geographical coordinates of the unit.
    (2) After receipt of such notifications, the Commission will allow 
the Arecibo Observatory a period of 20 days for comments or objections. 
The operator will be required to make reasonable efforts in order to 
resolve or mitigate any potential interference problem with the Arecibo 
Observatory. If the Commission determines that an operator has satisfied 
its responsibility to make reasonable efforts to protect the Observatory 
from interference, the unit may be allowed to operate.

[61 FR 28768, June 6, 1996, as amended at 62 FR 55535, Oct. 27, 1997; 63 
FR 68976, Dec. 14, 1998; 70 FR 31374, June 1, 2005]

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From: k4ry-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:k4ry-bounces at mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of Carey Huff
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:36 AM
To: K4RY at eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [K4RY] Rules question

I need to be able to communicate with dad from the ground while he is flying
overhead.  He isn't licensed, so can't transmit on our bands.  I don't have
a radio that will transmit on airbands.  

I could easily connect my scanner into his 'aux in' port on his intercom
system and let him hear me.  And I could set one side of my radio to receive
him on his AM airband.  

Is this within the rules?  I would only be transmitting on the lowest power
setting my HT has as he will always be in close proximity to me.  We are
using him as a search plane to find downed rockets and it would make it much
easier to have communications.  

Carey L. Huff

Project Engineer

Hoar Construction, LLC

Two Metroplex Drive, Suite 400

Birmingham, AL 35209

Desk: 205-423-2389

Cell: 205-451-8997

Fax: 205-423-2323

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