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<P><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thought I would share my setup. <BR><BR>Lots
of stuff packed in the plane. Included a repeater consisting of separate
receive and transmit radios connected with a VOX unit. Had a single band
pass can on the output. 2m used for comms and APRS as well. Antennas
were 2 2m ground planes, one on the top of the vertical stabilizer and one on
the side of the plane. A 70cm was placed on the bottom of the plane.
All were held on with lots of high speed tape! One of dad's requirements
was that I kept a pair of dykes within easy reach to cut the coax in the event
that something came loose and was flapping about. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000000>The
plane is an experimental, so we don't have to follow the rule John mentions
about having the FAA approve the mounting of the antennas. You are correct
John, this is VERY expensive to do IF you can get it at all. Dad said from
his experience, they won't permit any modifications without extensive amounts of
paperwork. Usually, you have to know the right people to get it signed off
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<P><FONT face=Arial size=2>The two antennas in the foreground are aircraft
band. I think one is Comms and the other is for the Emergency Locating
Transmitter (crash beacon).</FONT></P>
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<P><BR>Thanks,<BR><BR>Carey<BR>Desk: 205-423-2389<BR>Cell:
205-451-8997<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: John Klingelhoeffer
[</FONT><A href="mailto:WB4LNM@AOL.COM"><FONT
size=2>mailto:WB4LNM@AOL.COM</FONT></A><FONT size=2>]<BR>Sent: Monday, October
06, 2008 6:32 PM<BR>To: 'William Capps'; K4RY@eng.auburn.edu; Carey
Huff<BR>Subject: RE: [K4RY] Rules question<BR>Importance:
Low<BR><BR>Bill;<BR><BR>Interesting to hear your experience with an aero mobile
ham. I think I can count the fingers on one hand how many times I've
QSO'ed with an aero mobile ham since 1968. One of the high points was back
in the 1970's when I spoke with the president of CBS, Bill Leonard, W2SKE
(SK), who was an active ham and he was aero mobile from the east coast to
the west coast. This was on two meter FM.<BR><BR>My understanding is that
technically, the FAA or its representative needs to approve the mounting of an
(amateur) antenna on the outside of the fuselage of an aircraft. That cost
and effort probably limits a lot of people from making a permanent change to
their general aviation aircraft. Who knows what that
costs? <BR><BR>Having an antenna at 8000 feet is probably a great thing if
one is a VHF operator, although I have heard that the cacophony of repeaters is
deafening. Operation on simplex is just about a necessity on two
meters. I guess that antennas for operation on HF are just as much of a
challenge, if not more so, than on my boat here on Lake Martin.<BR><BR>You will
have to show me Good Old Boys sometime. I am not familiar with where that
is although I was a student at AU from
71-75. <BR><BR>73<BR><BR>John...<BR>WB4LNM<BR>-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<BR>[</FONT><A
href="mailto:k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu"><FONT
size=2>mailto:k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu</FONT></A><FONT size=2>] On
Behalf Of William Capps<BR>Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:57 AM<BR>To:
K4RY@eng.auburn.edu; Carey Huff<BR>Subject: Re: [K4RY] Rules
question<BR><BR>Hello Everyone,<BR> For what it is worth, I
have made several qso's with a /aeronautical mobile ham here in auburn on the 2
meter fm simplex frequency. I used to monitor the simplex frequency when I had a
radio in my auto. He would call CQ simplex and I could easily talk to him. The
aero ham had some kind of single seat high performance airplane and he would fly
from basically Fort Walton Beach Florida to La Grange, Ga and back again to keep
his flying license active. He had a permanently mounted radio and antenna and I
am sure he was 50 watts. We always had good qso's crystal clear. Onetrip/qso I
made with him, I drove out to Sand Hill road on the south side of town. There is
a large hill just east of Good Old Boy's. I was surprised to find out I could
talk to him all the way to florida and only lost him when he began to drop in
altitude to begin his landing at the air field.<BR><BR>73<BR>Bill
AF4OD<BR><BR>>>> "Carey Huff" <chuff@hoarllc.com> 10/3/2008 11:39
PM >>><BR>Ahhhhh, that's what I was looking for. <BR><BR>On first
glance, the broadcasting thing was what I was worried about.<BR>I looked that
one up and was able to satisfy myself that I would not be broadcasting.
Seeing as Dad is not the "General Public" and I would have a specific intended
audience. <BR><BR>I was hoping that this would fall under cross band comms,
but since cross service is explicitly disallowed, looks like I am out of
luck.<BR><BR>The basis of the discussion is this - We have tried air to ground
on 2m and didn't have much luck. There was so much noise that we were
pretty unintelligible. Not sure why. I tapped into the intercom
system and fed the mic input of the radio with a tap. Sounded fine on the
ground.<BR>I was able to make one QSO with a random HAM on our flight
home. We were in deep south GA and using the Cheaha repeater to talk to a
guy in Anniston. It was quite a ride. Every time I was ready to
transmit, Dad pulled the throttle to idle and we would glide till I went back
to<BR>receive mode, he'd hit the gas and we would climb back up.
:) The<BR>plane is pretty loud on the inside. <BR><BR>I have a
nice set of Motorola FRS units, I'll have to give those a try and see if they
work. <BR><BR>I appreciate the input from everyone. I got several
notes off list.<BR>Don't worry John, I'm not going to do anything to endanger my
license!!<BR><BR>73,<BR><BR>AI4TZ<BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From:
John Klingelhoeffer [</FONT><A href="mailto:WB4LNM@AOL.COM"><FONT
size=2>mailto:WB4LNM@AOL.COM</FONT></A><FONT size=2>]<BR>Sent: Fri 10/3/2008
8:29 PM<BR>To: Carey Huff; K4RY@eng.auburn.edu<BR>Subject: RE: [K4RY] Rules
question<BR><BR><BR><BR>Absolutely not, Carey;<BR><BR><BR><BR>>From the FCC
part 97's point of view, you would be communicating with<BR>someone on another
service, which is only allowed in emergencies and specially authorized tests,
such as the annual MARS cross band (actually<BR>cross-service)
test.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Two options are: 1) have him get an amateur
radio license (not hard anymore since there is no code test) or 2) use
FRS. If you are close enough to use the low power setting on your HT, then
FRS's half-watt power should be ok. I was a bit concerned by aeronautical
mobile operation of FRS at first, but it is specifically approved by
47CFR95.<BR>See paragraph a4 below.<BR><BR><BR><BR>The FRS radios have a great
range of prices. Get one of the better<BR>ones >$60 for better
performance. The $20 units are pretty
lousy. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Don't endanger your ham license by trying the
one way thing. It's<BR>clearly illegal. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Regs
follow. 73 John...
WB4LNM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>[Code of Federal Regulations]<BR>[Title 47, Volume
5]<BR>[Revised as of October 1, 2007]<BR>>From the U.S. Government Printing
Office via GPO Access<BR>[CITE: 47CFR95.192]<BR><BR>[Page
534-535]<BR><BR>
TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION<BR><BR>
CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED)<BR><BR>PART 95_PERSONAL
RADIO SERVICES--Table of
Contents<BR><BR>
Subpart B_Family Radio Service (FRS)<BR><BR>Sec. 95.192 (FRS Rule 2)
Authorized locations.<BR><BR> (a) Provided that you comply
with these rules, you are authorized to operate an FRS
unit:<BR> (1) Within or over any area of the world where radio
services are regulated by the FCC (this area includes the fifty United States
and the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the United States
Virgin Islands (50 islets and cays), American Samoa (seven islands), the
Commonwealth of Northern Marianna Islands, and Guam
Island);<BR> (2) Within or over any other area of the world,
except within or over the territorial limits of areas where radio services are
regulated<BR><BR>by an agency of the United States other than the FCC or any
foreign government (you are subject to its rules);<BR> (3)
Aboard any vessel or aircraft registered in the United States,<BR><BR>with the
permission of the captain, that is within or over any area of<BR><BR>the world
where radio services are regulated by the FCC or upon or
over<BR><BR>international waters;<BR> (4) or; Aboard any
unregistered vessel or aircraft owned or operated by a United States citizen or
company that is within or over any area of the world where radio services are
regulated by the FCC or upon or over<BR><BR>international
waters.<BR> (5) You must operate the FRS unit only according
to any applicable<BR><BR>treaty to which the United States is a party. The FCC
will make public<BR><BR>notice of any such conditions.<BR>
(b)-(c) [Reserved]<BR> (d) Anyone intending to operate an FRS
unit on the islands of Puerto Rico, Desecheo, Mona, Vieques, and Culebra in a
manner that could pose<BR><BR>an interference threat to the Arecibo Observatory,
shall notify the Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory, HC3 Box 53995,
Arecibo, Puerto Rico 00612, in writing or electronically, of the location of the
unit. Operators may wish to consult interference guidelines, which will be
provided by Cornell University. Operators who choose to transmit information
electronically should e-mail to: prcz@naic.edu.<BR> (1) The
notification to the Interference Office, Arecibo Observatory shall be made 45
days prior to commencing operation of the unit. The notification shall state the
geographical coordinates of the unit.<BR> (2) After receipt of
such notifications, the Commission will allow<BR><BR>the Arecibo Observatory a
period of 20 days for comments or objections.<BR><BR>The operator will be
required to make reasonable efforts in order to resolve or mitigate any
potential interference problem with the Arecibo<BR><BR>Observatory. If the
Commission determines that an operator has satisfied its responsibility to make
reasonable efforts to protect the Observatory from interference, the unit may be
allowed to operate.<BR><BR>[61 FR 28768, June 6, 1996, as amended at 62 FR
55535, Oct. 27, 1997;<BR>63<BR>FR 68976, Dec. 14, 1998; 70 FR 31374, June 1,
2005]<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>________________________________<BR><BR>From:
k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<BR>[</FONT><A
href="mailto:k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu"><FONT
size=2>mailto:k4ry-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu</FONT></A><FONT size=2>] On
Behalf Of Carey Huff<BR>Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 7:36 AM<BR>To:
K4RY@eng.auburn.edu<BR>Subject: [K4RY] Rules question<BR><BR><BR><BR>I need to
be able to communicate with dad from the ground while he is flying
overhead. He isn't licensed, so can't transmit on our bands. I don't
have a radio that will transmit on airbands. <BR><BR><BR><BR>I could easily
connect my scanner into his 'aux in' port on his intercom system and let him
hear me. And I could set one side of my radio to receive him on his AM
airband. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Is this within the rules? I would only be
transmitting on the lowest power setting my HT has as he will always be in close
proximity to me.<BR>We are using him as a search plane to find downed rockets
and it would make it much easier to have
communications. <BR><BR><BR><BR>Carey L. Huff<BR><BR>Project
Engineer<BR><BR>Hoar Construction, LLC<BR><BR>Two Metroplex Drive, Suite
400<BR><BR>Birmingham, AL 35209<BR><BR>Desk: 205-423-2389<BR><BR>Cell:
205-451-8997<BR><BR>Fax:
205-423-2323<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>K4RY
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